1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,270 Neanderthalcouzin 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,540 Fulfills one of his dreams 3 00:00:05,660 --> 00:00:07,700 To go back in time 4 00:00:07,700 --> 00:00:09,600 And see our hunter-gatherer ancestors 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,770 ♫Look around your world pretty baby♫ 6 00:00:12,910 --> 00:00:16,410 ♫Is it everything you hoped it'd be?♫ 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,670 ♫The wrong guy the wrong situation♫ 8 00:00:19,810 --> 00:00:21,260 ♫The right time...♫ 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,710 Abel Tasman National Park 2010 AD 10 00:00:39,729 --> 00:00:42,051 Etosha National Park 40,000 BC 11 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,600 It's really difficult to talk about this stuff 12 00:00:57,740 --> 00:00:59,450 when I'm actually on the trip. 13 00:00:59,450 --> 00:01:01,000 It's a really bad connection 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 but it doesn't matter. I'm actually here anyway. 15 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,000 All right? Okay, bye. 16 00:03:04,430 --> 00:03:07,140 - Aha, a tribesman. Looks like he's on the hunt. 17 00:03:07,239 --> 00:03:07,240 . 18 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,760 - Excuse me? Hello? - Who are you? 19 00:03:09,769 --> 00:03:09,770 . 20 00:03:09,820 --> 00:03:14,860 - Just think of me as coming from a distant tribe. 21 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,240 So may I join you? 22 00:03:18,340 --> 00:03:19,730 - Sure, come on. 23 00:03:19,870 --> 00:03:22,100 - Who's that guy over there? 24 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:24,730 The one with the mars ball thing, what? 25 00:03:24,870 --> 00:03:27,300 - Oh him, that's Pierre Mosaic. 26 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,200 He has this ridiculous idea. He's crazy! 27 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:31,480 . 28 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,000 He talks about living in a different way. I don't know 29 00:03:34,140 --> 00:03:36,000 in some kind of insane future where 30 00:03:36,140 --> 00:03:38,840 we have food just coming to us or something. I don't get it. 31 00:03:38,980 --> 00:03:40,940 We don't hunt and gather anymore? 32 00:03:41,170 --> 00:03:45,700 - Oh well, you know that actually sounds a lot like where I come from. 33 00:03:45,950 --> 00:03:46,700 - What?! 34 00:03:46,850 --> 00:03:48,100 - Yeah. 35 00:03:48,230 --> 00:03:52,350 - Oh guys, oh guys, we've got another Mars Project supporter. 36 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:54,000 - No no, I mean 37 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:57,600 some of the things you just mentioned are completely true. 38 00:03:57,750 --> 00:04:00,800 You know, that's what it's like where I'm from. 39 00:04:01,150 --> 00:04:02,700 - What do you mean? 40 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,150 - Well, where I come from we don't hunt or gather we just... 41 00:04:07,380 --> 00:04:08,880 - That's what we are. 42 00:04:08,980 --> 00:04:10,640 [That's] what we do. 43 00:04:10,780 --> 00:04:12,630 Do you mean you don't hunt? 44 00:04:12,770 --> 00:04:14,700 You'd die. 45 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:17,040 - No, you see we have a totally different 46 00:04:17,130 --> 00:04:19,050 socio-economic system that emerged from centuries 47 00:04:19,190 --> 00:04:22,650 of civilizations engaging in large scale agriculture and... -What, what?! 48 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,140 - It's domestication of plants and livestock, you know? -What? 49 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:26,281 . 50 00:04:26,281 --> 00:04:29,370 - OK, it's where you take the kudu you just hunted, and well 51 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:32,950 you breed it yourself, and you keep it for yourself. 52 00:04:33,073 --> 00:04:37,180 The plants and the things you gather, well we just grow them. 53 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:39,500 As a result of this we have specialization of labor. 54 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,750 Most people don't even work in 55 00:04:41,750 --> 00:04:41,751 . 56 00:04:41,821 --> 00:04:45,420 what we call agriculture, let alone hunting. I'm a copy editor. 57 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,580 - You mean to tell me that there is a future 58 00:04:47,718 --> 00:04:50,600 where people don't hunt and gather? 59 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:51,850 - Yep. 60 00:04:51,980 --> 00:04:53,850 - If that's not impossible, we're hunter-gatherers 61 00:04:53,990 --> 00:04:56,250 by human nature. It's who we are. 62 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,900 -Yeah, human nature is a simulacrum. 63 00:04:58,900 --> 00:04:58,901 . 64 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,450 - Huh? - It means it's largely bullshit. 65 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,320 You see, human behavior is a derivative of a complex interplay 66 00:05:04,420 --> 00:05:06,828 of environmentally learned, ecologically-dependent conditions 67 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,240 no doubt interacting with a whole slew of what we would call 68 00:05:09,380 --> 00:05:11,850 hard-wired or evolved genetic predispositions. 69 00:05:11,950 --> 00:05:13,760 Genes in this sense set propensities but 70 00:05:13,860 --> 00:05:16,100 especially in regards to behavior, we're soft-wired 71 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,110 for cultural learning and environmentally-contingent adaptation. 72 00:05:19,250 --> 00:05:22,000 There is no such thing, for instance, as a gene for hunting. 73 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,600 Subsistence models, for example, are directly a function of 74 00:05:24,725 --> 00:05:27,300 ecological constraints, what the habitat can provide 75 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:29,900 and we, in turn, anthropologically alter that environment 76 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,050 eventually to the point that just about everything we do 77 00:05:32,165 --> 00:05:34,860 does not even occur in a "natural habitat". 78 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,440 We actually live inside technology, so to speak. 79 00:05:38,570 --> 00:05:41,780 We learn and adapt to our own human-made social environments. 80 00:05:41,910 --> 00:05:45,980 You, as a nomadic egalitarian hunter-gatherer from the Pleistocene 81 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:47,800 you have by necessity 82 00:05:47,951 --> 00:05:51,300 the dramatic ever-changing labile environments you live in. 83 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,100 You move constantly from place to place 84 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,530 according to basic necessity in order to survive. 85 00:05:55,650 --> 00:05:57,870 By doing this, you lower your ecological risk 86 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,000 and it is this labile environment that, potentially, set in motion 87 00:06:01,140 --> 00:06:04,600 strong selective pressures for a malleable, flexible, adaptable brain 88 00:06:04,730 --> 00:06:07,450 capable of immense social learning and behavioral plasticity. 89 00:06:07,590 --> 00:06:09,400 Without our ability to learn greatly 90 00:06:09,536 --> 00:06:11,400 from our social and physical environment 91 00:06:11,530 --> 00:06:14,100 well, we might not have made it through this difficult time you're in now. 92 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:17,450 -Yes, and the only way to get through life is as a hunter-gatherer. 93 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,200 - Well, no. 94 00:06:19,350 --> 00:06:22,560 Where I'm from we live in predominantly sedentary large-scale populations 95 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:26,450 that are entirely reliant on a largely technological agricultural base. 96 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,200 They provide the food through advanced 97 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:29,950 highly-efficient technological means 98 00:06:30,060 --> 00:06:32,000 and the rest of us can say, well, you know 99 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:36,000 become a teacher or an artist or a politician or a copy editor. 100 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:36,900 - What's a politician? 101 00:06:36,940 --> 00:06:39,330 - The love child of a trumped-up lawyer and a businessman. 102 00:06:39,430 --> 00:06:41,300 - What are those things? 103 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,460 - Well, they're some of the other things people do 104 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,160 instead of hunting and foraging. 105 00:06:45,570 --> 00:06:48,040 - Listen, you and Pierre Mosaic are totally insane 106 00:06:48,180 --> 00:06:51,360 if you think any of this is possible and no one will go along with it. 107 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:55,450 You don't move around? How do you avoid droughts? 108 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,750 Did you think about that? No, you didn't. 109 00:06:57,890 --> 00:07:00,200 How about seasonal changes in the food we find? 110 00:07:00,340 --> 00:07:04,950 You can't stay in one place. Tell that to Pierre before we exile him. 111 00:07:05,090 --> 00:07:08,220 - Well, you see while you and your band lower your ecological risk 112 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,260 of staying in only one place by constantly moving 113 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,260 tracing seasonal changes in asynchronous resources 114 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,670 in my home we lower our ecological risk of staying in one place 115 00:07:17,810 --> 00:07:21,870 by creating very far reaching systems of economic exchange 116 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,660 which stretch further than any hunter-gatherer could reach anyway. 117 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,350 We don't have to be on the move. 118 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:30,500 I produce one type of food, and someone produces another type 119 00:07:30,650 --> 00:07:33,000 far away, and we exchange it. 120 00:07:33,115 --> 00:07:35,050 That's how we can stay in one place 121 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,000 making only one type of food, and we don't worry. 122 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,160 - Wait a second. You mean to tell me that 123 00:07:40,300 --> 00:07:42,140 you control the plants that come out of the ground? 124 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,060 - Well, you know, yes. 125 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,200 - That's how you take the wild game and keep them 126 00:07:46,326 --> 00:07:48,740 in the same place and control them too? 127 00:07:48,765 --> 00:07:49,400 - Yes. 128 00:07:49,460 --> 00:07:50,860 - Impossible! Ridiculous! 129 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,750 The kudu would attack the whole camp, and they'd run away. 130 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,000 - Yes, but they aren't wild anymore. 131 00:07:56,150 --> 00:07:59,240 We domesticated them using something called selective breeding. 132 00:07:59,380 --> 00:08:02,200 We breed docility into them to keep them in one place 133 00:08:02,330 --> 00:08:04,200 and take what we need when we need it. 134 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:05,800 - So your telling me 135 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:08,460 you take all the meat and keep it in one place? 136 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,050 And then you take all the tubers and fruit, and you keep it in one place 137 00:08:12,190 --> 00:08:14,530 and you somehow make it grow? 138 00:08:14,678 --> 00:08:16,430 How do you make it grow? Are you a wizard? 139 00:08:16,530 --> 00:08:18,540 - No, you keep the seeds of the plants 140 00:08:18,672 --> 00:08:20,530 and plant them and you monitor them. 141 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:23,000 You breed the wild animals into docility 142 00:08:23,140 --> 00:08:27,850 and you make sure they keep breeding. No magic. 143 00:08:27,949 --> 00:08:27,950 . 144 00:08:27,950 --> 00:08:29,850 - Well, it sounds like magic to me. 145 00:08:29,910 --> 00:08:33,200 Look, don't you even realize it's in our nature to hunt? 146 00:08:33,340 --> 00:08:35,700 - Oh no, not the human nature thing again. 147 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,540 - Yeah, see what you want is to take away our nature. 148 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:40,750 Say what you want, but every one of us hunts. 149 00:08:40,890 --> 00:08:43,900 All our ancestors have done it, and we always will do it. 150 00:08:44,050 --> 00:08:47,000 Even the lion hunts. It's nature, not just in human nature. 151 00:08:47,110 --> 00:08:48,860 Look around, for crying out loud! 152 00:08:48,990 --> 00:08:52,000 Don't you realize if you kept all the game in one place 153 00:08:52,140 --> 00:08:54,520 everyone would make their hunting camps around it 154 00:08:54,660 --> 00:08:56,600 and they'd just wake up in the morning 155 00:08:56,700 --> 00:08:59,240 and they'd hunt everything until its all gone? 156 00:08:59,380 --> 00:09:01,200 You haven't thought this through at all. 157 00:09:01,350 --> 00:09:03,950 - Listen every single point you make is entirely limited 158 00:09:04,090 --> 00:09:06,860 to your own experience, culture and worldview. 159 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,730 You think none of this can happen because 160 00:09:08,830 --> 00:09:11,000 you keep referencing a limited knowledge base 161 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:14,280 and simplifications of both reality and human behavior. 162 00:09:14,430 --> 00:09:17,360 People in this environment are no longer hunter-gatherers 163 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:20,900 so they don't stand around and chuck spears at the animals, ok? 164 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,740 The animals don't destroy everything and 165 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,880 go on another one of their epic migrations 166 00:09:24,980 --> 00:09:29,000 because they are domesticated and fenced in, ok? And again 167 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,570 the reason you're a hunter-gatherer is because of your environment. 168 00:09:32,710 --> 00:09:34,860 You're not programmed strictly to be one. 169 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,000 I couldn't hunt with a spear to save my life. 170 00:09:38,140 --> 00:09:40,000 And that's kind of the point, isn't it? I mean it's 171 00:09:40,100 --> 00:09:43,940 about necessity and having the necessary cognitive apparatus to adapt 172 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,100 learn and respond to differing social and physical environments 173 00:09:47,229 --> 00:09:47,230 . 174 00:09:47,230 --> 00:09:50,000 which were the hallmark of our more recent ancestral past 175 00:09:50,140 --> 00:09:53,800 and hence, evolutionary pressure to be highly behaviorally flexible. 176 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,940 Right, you know that tribe four days' walk over the mountains? 177 00:09:57,070 --> 00:09:58,800 - Oh yeah, those bastards. 178 00:09:58,950 --> 00:10:01,120 - You know the way they speak differently to you? You know 179 00:10:01,260 --> 00:10:04,000 they wear different adornments. They have different nutritional preferences 180 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:06,060 and they even have different practices in how 181 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,430 they mate and how many mates they have. 182 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,200 Why do you suppose that is? 183 00:10:11,330 --> 00:10:14,750 - They're just different, and just stay away from them, Mate. 184 00:10:14,890 --> 00:10:16,500 - They are that way for a reason. 185 00:10:16,620 --> 00:10:18,700 They were raised in a different social environment. 186 00:10:18,810 --> 00:10:19,900 - Look, it doesn't matter what you say 187 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,500 we're hunters and gatherers by nature 188 00:10:21,620 --> 00:10:24,900 and if you have any special collection of magically calm wild game 189 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,900 we would all go there and hunt them to the very last one. 190 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,000 - Well, yeah, maybe you would. 191 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:32,780 You see, in the environment I come from I have no doubt 192 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,200 you'd have an extremely difficult time changing and adapting 193 00:10:35,340 --> 00:10:36,900 but you could. 194 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,700 For a start you aren't allowed to do that, but 195 00:10:39,830 --> 00:10:42,550 you wouldn't need to anyway. Get it? 196 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:44,240 You do this because you need to do it. 197 00:10:44,370 --> 00:10:47,300 Your environment brought that propensity out of you. The fact is 198 00:10:47,450 --> 00:10:50,950 as you shifted into my civilization, your values would change. 199 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,760 - My values would change? 200 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:55,000 Mate, that sounds a little bit hairy fairy. 201 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,000 I mean hunting the kudo isn't even just a value. 202 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,650 It's my very spirit, as a hunter. 203 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,950 It's in my nature, and it's what humans do. It's our duty. 204 00:11:04,099 --> 00:11:04,100 . 205 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:07,000 If there were animals everywhere, who hunts them anyway? 206 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:08,180 - Well, no one. 207 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,340 They just get slaughtered and sent to the people who want it. 208 00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:13,000 - Than there's nothing to do is there? Nothing! 209 00:11:13,490 --> 00:11:15,960 What do people do except sit around in the sun all day? 210 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,650 - Well I tried to explain. You do a million other things. 211 00:11:18,789 --> 00:11:20,200 I can't even describe them all 212 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,600 because you don't have the frame of reference. 213 00:11:22,740 --> 00:11:25,000 Do you know where you teach the children in your clan 214 00:11:25,128 --> 00:11:27,550 about your ancestry? You know, cave painting, hunting 215 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:30,000 and you just engage them in educational activities? 216 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,200 - Well we just live together we don't take separate time 217 00:11:32,326 --> 00:11:34,800 to do those things. It's just part of normal life. - Right, well 218 00:11:34,950 --> 00:11:38,000 in this environment where I come from some people specialize 219 00:11:38,140 --> 00:11:41,640 in specifically teaching the children of the tribe, so to speak 220 00:11:41,780 --> 00:11:43,540 things that expand their knowledge 221 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:46,560 their frames of reference and understanding of reality. 222 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:49,950 Some people are like special spear and tool makers. 223 00:11:50,090 --> 00:11:52,340 Others only paint the caves. 224 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,060 You know they do that and nothing else. Does that make sense? 225 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,880 - No they wouldn't do those things because the food is just their, 226 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,250 I keep telling you, they can just go and get it. 227 00:12:01,380 --> 00:12:04,420 - Well, in my world it's sink or swim just like yours, Mate 228 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:07,500 except instead of running around and getting food and water 229 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,470 we get this stuff we call money. 230 00:12:09,590 --> 00:12:13,000 It's a proxy for resources, shelter and a quality of life. 231 00:12:13,140 --> 00:12:15,000 Without it, we're lion food. 232 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:18,350 So even though people do want to do things besides hunting 233 00:12:18,487 --> 00:12:20,200 you know, they have to anyway. 234 00:12:20,330 --> 00:12:22,700 Otherwise, they're nothing. - Check this out: 235 00:12:22,830 --> 00:12:26,600 I spent four hours yesterday searching for a dried-up water source 236 00:12:26,730 --> 00:12:30,160 and it looks like I'm going to have to move again to find reliable water. 237 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:32,100 - Ah, that's terrible. - And you're telling me 238 00:12:32,230 --> 00:12:34,400 you just tell the water to stay in one place 239 00:12:34,509 --> 00:12:36,450 like you do with the animals and plants? 240 00:12:36,550 --> 00:12:39,000 You see, you can't have this life you're talking about. 241 00:12:39,140 --> 00:12:41,960 You're always going to be free roaming nomadic hunter-gatherer. 242 00:12:42,020 --> 00:12:43,900 - You know, well, in fact, we don't tell the water 243 00:12:44,031 --> 00:12:46,450 to come to us or stay in one place. 244 00:12:46,580 --> 00:12:49,700 We use systems engineering. We use irrigation systems. 245 00:12:49,810 --> 00:12:52,100 Ugh! Okay, how can I put this? 246 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:52,241 . 247 00:12:52,241 --> 00:12:55,150 We use our special knowledge and tools 248 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,780 to bring the water to us from the rivers and lakes. 249 00:12:57,900 --> 00:13:01,310 Everyone has their own shelter like your makeshift shelters 250 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:06,000 only permanent, and well, inside them, we have a special lever. 251 00:13:06,140 --> 00:13:08,920 OK, it's like when you stick a sharp point into a tree 252 00:13:09,060 --> 00:13:11,500 and the sap comes out, right? - OK. 253 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,100 - Well, we have a stick that you twist, and you know, we call it a tap 254 00:13:15,230 --> 00:13:18,000 and the water just comes rushing out. 255 00:13:19,574 --> 00:13:19,575 . 256 00:13:19,575 --> 00:13:22,150 - You never have to search around in the baking heat like a 257 00:13:22,290 --> 00:13:25,380 migrating pack of elephants for some dried-up muddy water source. 258 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,000 You just take a few steps, twist the stick 259 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,070 and the fresh cold water flies out like a waterfall. 260 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:32,280 . 261 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,000 And there's another stick that sends it out extra hot. 262 00:13:35,780 --> 00:13:36,500 - What? 263 00:13:36,550 --> 00:13:38,200 - We decide if we want it cold or hot 264 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:41,560 and we have a special room that recreates a rain shower 265 00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:43,510 only the water's warm 266 00:13:43,610 --> 00:13:46,390 and we stand underneath it to clean our body and it feels good. 267 00:13:46,490 --> 00:13:48,550 - Wait you have a room that becomes a rain storm 268 00:13:48,650 --> 00:13:53,000 only the storm is warm, and you stand in it to clean yourself 269 00:13:53,140 --> 00:13:57,000 then you can twist the stick and get as much water as you ever wanted? 270 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,300 - Yeah! 271 00:13:58,350 --> 00:14:00,250 - Get the f*** out of here! 272 00:14:00,650 --> 00:14:02,300 - No, no really. 273 00:14:02,350 --> 00:14:03,900 - Do you understand what your saying? 274 00:14:03,980 --> 00:14:05,600 We have an expression here. It goes: 275 00:14:05,740 --> 00:14:08,745 "No time to talk until you've found water." 276 00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:11,000 Do you know how important water is? 277 00:14:11,140 --> 00:14:12,900 We can't risk one day without it. 278 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,030 I spend my whole life worrying about where 279 00:14:15,168 --> 00:14:17,550 my next mouthful of water is coming from. Listen: 280 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:20,900 I don't know what the hell you're on 281 00:14:21,020 --> 00:14:23,800 but this sounds like some kind of ridiculous Utopia 282 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:25,800 and nothing you can say will change that. 283 00:14:25,870 --> 00:14:28,890 - Ah, the Utopia argument. - What?! 284 00:14:28,899 --> 00:14:28,900 . 285 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,700 - Well, for a start, there's no such thing. 286 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,150 There is no final spear, no final arrow head. 287 00:14:34,270 --> 00:14:37,000 Of course, it isn't Utopia. You only think it's Utopia 288 00:14:37,140 --> 00:14:38,500 because you have a certain frame of reference 289 00:14:38,620 --> 00:14:40,850 whereby you struggle every single day to get water 290 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:43,900 risking your life every single time you try and hunt large game. 291 00:14:44,030 --> 00:14:46,720 You risk heat stroke, being gored, getting lost 292 00:14:46,860 --> 00:14:49,350 breaking a limb, and surely dying as a result, 293 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,000 falling prey to disease and infections and never 294 00:14:52,140 --> 00:14:55,280 ever, ever getting thoroughly outside that reality and environment 295 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,600 whereby the fight for water is a constant never ending struggle 296 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:00,700 that defines your very existence, worldview 297 00:15:00,841 --> 00:15:03,000 lifestyle and understanding of reality. 298 00:15:03,140 --> 00:15:07,400 For you, the lack of that striving, of just being able to twist your wrist 299 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,400 and getting abundant, endless water 300 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:13,700 hot and cold, literally on tap, is Utopian. 301 00:15:13,970 --> 00:15:17,210 And on top of that, to not have to go on an 8-hour persistence hunt 302 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:20,950 to track down some elusive meat also sounds like Utopia, doesn't it? 303 00:15:21,090 --> 00:15:24,570 You mean, you can just have it all in one place 304 00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:27,860 fat, plump, and waiting patiently for a person to divide it up? 305 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,860 Tubers and fruit, all in a line, all told to grow there, and never leave? 306 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,900 If ever there was a hunter-gatherer's Utopia 307 00:15:35,021 --> 00:15:37,470 it's what I'm talking about. But it's not Utopia. 308 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,000 It's real and it's just a lack of that particular striving. 309 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,850 It's almost like if a person where I came from 310 00:15:43,980 --> 00:15:46,000 didn't have to run around 8 hours a day 311 00:15:46,140 --> 00:15:49,000 just like you do for kudu hunting, in order to pull money 312 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:52,000 from circulating supply in order to survive and prosper 313 00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:55,960 would probably sound like a Utopia to them, too. But they'd be wrong. 314 00:15:56,099 --> 00:15:56,100 . 315 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:59,280 They'd be completely and totally and utterly, fully wrong. 316 00:15:59,420 --> 00:16:02,100 Projecting their own strivings onto their own analysis 317 00:16:02,235 --> 00:16:04,200 just like a world of amputees might see 318 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,140 the possibility of an automated prostheses as a Utopia as well. 319 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,000 They're wrong just like you're wrong, my friend 320 00:16:11,140 --> 00:16:15,660 and Pierre Mosaic isn't a Utopianist. He never was. 321 00:16:15,790 --> 00:16:17,800 You know, and while I'm at it, if someone wants to use 322 00:16:17,908 --> 00:16:20,350 the name "communist" based upon one of its many elements 323 00:16:20,450 --> 00:16:22,920 this man to the left of me counts as one. 324 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,150 He's your exponentially great-grandfather, and he's a communist. 325 00:16:26,290 --> 00:16:29,110 That label can be used in just about any way it seems 326 00:16:29,250 --> 00:16:31,880 but it is no more apt for anyone else than this guy. 327 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,510 For circa a hundred and fifty-thousand years, we had no money 328 00:16:34,650 --> 00:16:39,000 concept of property and a totally egalitarian socioeconomic lifestyle. 329 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,880 And while some people might be tempted to call anything centralized 330 00:16:42,010 --> 00:16:44,140 "communist", and I mean anything, 331 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:45,870 you have a central nervous system. 332 00:16:45,970 --> 00:16:48,390 And since some are tempted to take anything that can be connected 333 00:16:48,490 --> 00:16:50,310 by however many degrees of reasoning 334 00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:50,311 . 335 00:16:50,415 --> 00:16:53,400 or dot connecting or Kevin Bacon degrees of separation 336 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,040 including the science of systems engineering, apparently, 337 00:16:56,170 --> 00:16:58,730 you may as well deny your ancestry; 338 00:16:58,860 --> 00:17:00,840 that which made us who we are. 339 00:17:00,980 --> 00:17:02,460 Give yourself a lobotomy 340 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,500 and refuse to use the many engineered centralized systems we use 341 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,900 from agriculture, to irrigation, to sanitation, to communication. 342 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,800 You will devolve yourself. Go right ahead. 343 00:17:12,999 --> 00:17:13,000 . 344 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,600 Anyway, sorry for that digression, Sir, I don't know what caught me. 345 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:15,721 . 346 00:17:15,721 --> 00:17:18,260 - Whatever. None of this sounds remotely plausible. 347 00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:20,900 You're just a bunch of Utopian anti-hunter-gatherer retards 348 00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:23,540 who jack-off to magical Ipods that cannot exist anyway 349 00:17:23,660 --> 00:17:25,740 and never realized that human nature is to hunt and forage. 350 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,300 You cannot tell animals or plants or water to do anything. 351 00:17:28,420 --> 00:17:30,680 You need to hunt to survive. People have to move to survive. 352 00:17:30,790 --> 00:17:30,791 . 353 00:17:30,791 --> 00:17:32,860 And Pierre Mosaic has a stupid beard. 354 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,000 - What? 355 00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:37,350 - He's got a stupid f***ing beard. Look at his hat. F*** him. 356 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:40,000 - (Laughs) OK, it's just descending into total ad hominem. 357 00:17:40,140 --> 00:17:42,050 - Oh yeah, you think so? You just can't take it 358 00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:44,000 because you're an anti-hunting Utopian that wants to... 359 00:17:44,220 --> 00:17:46,350 - magically control plants and animals. Yeah, I got it. 360 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,250 - And you jerk off to... 361 00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:48,940 - ...magical Ipods.I got that too. Look 362 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,000 it doesn't matter if you hate Pierre Mosaic and The Mars Project. 363 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:53,650 - Mars Project. It's a cult! 364 00:17:53,780 --> 00:17:56,000 - I don't even care about title or Mosaic's beard. 365 00:17:56,170 --> 00:17:58,440 It's the ideas, the technology and observations of reality 366 00:17:58,544 --> 00:18:00,580 and what's important and where we can go. 367 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:02,700 We give things linguistic labels because it's convenient 368 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,250 and people come together under it as a short hand. 369 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,160 But the fact is, large-scale agriculture is central to civilization 370 00:18:08,290 --> 00:18:10,680 with irrigation, technology, and specialization of labor 371 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,640 are all waiting for us, and they're waiting for you. 372 00:18:12,769 --> 00:18:12,770 . 373 00:18:12,770 --> 00:18:14,500 It's just good to start a dialogue and see if 374 00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:18,500 we can't make people aware of this and maybe speed up the process. 375 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,060 - You can't answer a single one of my points like human-hunting nature 376 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,590 water, animals and plants being magically controlled 377 00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:27,100 and you just parrot the same "commie" Utopian nonsense 378 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,750 the bearded prick Pierre Mosaic spouts in his 379 00:18:29,820 --> 00:18:31,600 anti-hunting, forage hating 380 00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:34,000 magic magic Ipod-jerking Mars Project cult. 381 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:36,800 - You know, speaking of religion, I often debate creationists 382 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,050 and you come off pretty much exactly the same way. 383 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:41,510 - What's religion? I guess you're going to find out all about that 384 00:18:41,650 --> 00:18:41,651 . 385 00:18:41,655 --> 00:18:44,960 in a few thousand generations. Well, good luck with that, by the way. 386 00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:44,981 . 387 00:18:45,540 --> 00:18:47,900 ♫Look around your world pretty baby♫ 388 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,100 ♫Is it everything you hoped it'd be?♫ 389 00:18:51,780 --> 00:18:51,781 . 390 00:18:52,460 --> 00:18:54,100 - Yeah, it was a complete disaster, just 391 00:18:54,225 --> 00:18:56,860 trying to deal with these communist egalitarian hunter gatherers. 392 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,720 It was all ad hominids, drawn out fallacies 393 00:18:58,869 --> 00:19:00,900 and culturally-sensitive frames of reference... 394 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,000 -Time machine sound effect- 395 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:15,000 -Music fades out-